Patrick Kaell a écrit :
Brent Frère wrote:
Je parlais d'offre ADSL...
Pour mon information, le volume est-il illimité chez Coditel ?
No it's not. But:
Full stop. I just give the info that -as far as I know and for the time
being- this is the best ADSL flat rate offer in Luxembourg. Don't tell
me it's false and Coditel is cheaper: Coditel is neither flat rate
neither DSL, and as long as it does not allow all-port traffic, it's
neither an ISP to me, but just a web-access service.
Now, if you want to compare DSL with cable modem providers, it's an
another story.
1. I never had to pay supplemental traffic (and I do
download ISOs and
so on)
For me, having to check periodically the monthly volume is boring. More
than that, I host services on my home network. I don't want to have to
switch my server off in the middle of a month just because somebody is
doing something nastly with my bandwidth. The volume that cross your
Internet access is not only the one YOU generates, but also the one
caused by incoming packets !
3. Somebody *must* pay the excessive traffic some
people generate. I
am happy to know that it will not be me.
Why ??? Trafic does not cost anything. An infrastructure and the
maintenance generate costs, not the trafic. As soon as your backbone is
large enough (which is the case of both Coditel and Alternet so far),
why should you pay more for some other's trafic ??? For your
information, MCI (the second largest backbone in the world) is used at
the moment at 15% of its full capacity. They are demanding for bandwidth
users. The digital highways build in the 90's are much too large for the
current use: even some transatlantic submarine cables are just left
alone, because even the maintenance cost is too high for unused cables.
Coditel costs 45 Euro a month and you have 10 Gigs
traffic a month. If
you exceed this, you have to pay 10 Euro for another 10 Gigs.
Glad to have the info. I didn't found it on their web site (but I might
have missed it) so I didn't knew the rate in case of excess. Fair enough.
Look at your Alternet price: 97 Euro for a 1024Kbit
connection.
Coditel offers 1024Kbit for 45 Euro. For 95 Euro, I can download 60
Gigs at Coditel!!!!! 45 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 10 = 95 Euro. At
Alternet you even have to pay 97 Euro if you are in vacation for a
month, with Coditel only 45 Euro.
Once again, I spoke about the 256 Kb/s offer, and about DSL flat rates.
For me 256 Kb/s is more than enough, even if I host some services.
Before being Alternet customer, I was using ISDN anyway and it was
already enough for me. I just switched to DSL when the price became
lower than my average monthly phone bill.
You may say that 60 Gigs / month are still not as good
as a flatrate.
I didn't say that. I just said the info I gave was "it is the best offer
for flat rate, DSL service Internet access in Luxembourg at the moment".
I still maintain it.
A Flatrate is not a good price model. Some people just
generate
traffic because they can. I do not want to help others to finance
their excesses.
A cable-based ISP is not a good solution because it is not viable. Let's
have a look at the actual situation: cable operators have roughly 40 TV
channels 9 Mhz wide available at the moment because of their cables and
amplifiers here in Luxembourg. They have about used all those channels
for TV services. When they try to use some higher frequences channels,
the quality drops rapidely (frequency filter effect of the cabling and
amplifiers) so that they can count on about 2 to 4 new channels, with
limited quality of service, or they have to switch off some TV channels.
Let's consider the Esch-sur-Alzette network. There is a single cable
head-end for the city and surrounding areas. The same signal is thus
delivered to the 25000 homes connected. If you say 10% only of the
subscribers will apply for Internet services, and that 10% only will be
connected at the same time, it gives you 250 users sharing the same
bandwidth. The bandwidth of a cable-TV channel thanks its advanced
modulation scheme is about 24 Mb/s max, leading to 100 Kb/s per
sacrified TV channel. And the problem is even worse at return path
level: there is only one frequence usable for that purpose... I knew
that phenomenon in Brussels: I was (at AT&T) user 60 of the city. Things
were working well. One year later, the service was so bad that you
couldn't even telnet your computer from the Internet... Ads I saw in
2000 in the US for DSL services were based on that constatation also:
cable-TV based Internet services were overloaded and then slow. If it
happens to the US, I think it will happend to Luxembourg as well. So, as
long as your cable-TV provider is not too successfull, OK, it's working.
Let see what will happend in some years.
Greetings, Patrick Kaell
Greetings.
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