LiLux - GNU/Linux User Group Luxembourg
also known as Libre Luxembourg
Next event: LiLux meeting at LGL
<http://bfrere.net/Access%20map%20to%20LGL.pdf>, friday 10th of
October 2008 from 8 pm.
M. Christian Neumanns <http://joomla.linux.lu/Christian%20Neumanns> will
come to meet us and discuss about the various possible software licences.
M. Neumanns is the creator of Obix <http://www.obix.lu>, a new
programming language that will be released under GPL.
M. Neumanns already wrote an article about the subject of software
licences that can be found here <http://bfrere.net/Article%20Neumanns.pdf>.
You are welcome to come to meet and discuss with M. Neumanns.
Access map to LiLux Luxembourg meeting room
<http://bfrere.net/Access%20map%20to%20LGL.pdf>.
Information about this event and LiLux activities on +352-20.20.29.00
--
Brent Frère
President LiLux a.s.b.l.
> Dans le Forum du complexe cin?mas de Belval-Plaza (huit salles,
> ouverture fin de cette ann?e)
> j'essaye de mettre au point la mise ? disposition gratuite d'acc?s
> Internet sous Linux:
> Que pensez-vous d'une telle id?e ?
J'aime cette idée.
Le ministère d'éducation ou/et le LNW (Lycée du Nord) veut aussi remplacer
Windows par Linux sur nos ordinateurs.
Je pense que Linux devient de plus en plus populair.
Christian Neumanns a écrit :
> Dear Brent Frère,
>
> I fully understand and respect that you can't support non-free software.
>
> I am myself an advocator of free software.
>
> However, I find it very difficult to choose 'the right license' for
> Obix. There are many licenses to choose from, and it is impossible to
> fully understand them all and to foresee all consequences.
I agree.
> For example, I want to be sure that if I use GPL for Obix, then all
> applications written in Obix are automatically governed by GPL too.
See the way MySQL solve this. This is exacty their goal also.
> Moreover there must be no conflicts between Obix and Java licensing.
> Once a choice is made for license X, it is no more possible to change
> and choose license Y if Y is not compatible to X. Hence I preferred to
> start with my own very restrictive license and then switch to a
> popular license such as GPL, once I'm sure about the choice, and after
> getting feedback from people. I tend to believe that the best solution
> would be a dual-license model, such as GPL and a commercial license,
> because people should also have the right to develop closed-source
> applications with Obix.
What about dual-licensing ?
> In the file attached you can find an article I wrote in 2004. It is a
> bit outdated, but it explains my main thoughts about licensing.
I'll try to find some time to read it.
Maybe you should release the implementation under GPL but keep control
of the definition of the language, as Sun does regarding Java ? (They
specify what Java is but you are free to implement it the way you want).
> I'm really glad about your offer to contact you.
> I'm currently trying to first get a deeper insight into the jungle of
> licenses.
> Could I call you next week?
> What is the best time to call you?
> Which number should I use? +352-20.20.22.69?
Yes, anytime and yes.
> If you prefer you can also call me on 691 65 72 15.
>
> All the best
> Christian Neumanns
>
>
> On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:30:25 +0200
> Brent Frere <Brent(a)BFrere.net> wrote:
>> If you wish a quick practical explanation about what is behind the
>> GPL licence idea, please feel free to contact me.
>> As I am president of the LiLux (Libre Luxembourg) association, we
>> can't support non-free software initiatives.
>>
>> If you are really ready to release it under GPL licence, a
>> presentation should be organised through LiLux.
>>
>> Please call me for details.
>>
>> Christian Neumanns a écrit :
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>> Obix is currently not free software as defined by 'The Free Software
>>> Definition' on www.fsf.org.
>>> The reason is that Obix is currently still in an alpha state, and
>>> not ready yet to develop real-world applications.
>>> My intention is to release Obix in the near future under GPL3 (or a
>>> similar 'free software' license), or under a dual license model
>>> (GPL3 and a commercial license).
>>> I admit that I have no experience with software licenses, and I
>>> highly appreciate any advice or suggestion.
>>>
>>> The current, temporary license allows people to dowload Obix free of
>>> charge and 'play with it'.
>>> Here is the text of the current license:
>>>
>>> OBIX USER LICENSE version 0.7.2
>>>
>>> This license governs the use of Obix (www.obix.lu), and your use of
>>> Obix
>>> constitutes acceptance of this license.
>>>
>>> This is a temporary license. A revised or different license may be
>>> published
>>> with future versions of Obix.
>>>
>>> Obix is free of charge. However you are currently not allowed to use
>>> it to
>>> create software that directly or indirectly generates revenues, or
>>> that is
>>> used by a commercial entity. This restriction will be removed in a
>>> future
>>> version of Obix. You may currently contact the copyright holder of
>>> Obix to
>>> negotiate any usage that doesn't fulfill the above condition (e.g.
>>> commercial
>>> use).
>>>
>>> You may distribute Obix free of charge, under the condition that a
>>> verbatim
>>> copy of this license is included.
>>>
>>> Obix COMES "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED
>>> OR IMPLIED,
>>> INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
>>> MERCHANTABILITY AND
>>> FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND
>>> PERFORMANCE OF Obix IS WITH YOU. SHOULD Obix PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU
>>> ASSUME THE
>>> COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. ALSO, YOU
>>> MUST PASS
>>> THIS DISCLAIMER ON WHENEVER YOU DISTRIBUTE Obix OR DERIVATIVE WORKS.
>>>
>>> IN NO EVENT WILL THE AUTHOR OF Obix, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MAY
>>> MODIFY AND/OR
>>> REDISTRIBUTE Obix AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DAMAGES,
>>> INCLUDING ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL
>>> DAMAGES
>>> ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE Obix (INCLUDING BUT NOT
>>> LIMITED TO
>>> LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED
>>> BY YOU OR
>>> THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER
>>> PROGRAMS),
>>> EVEN IF THE AUTHOR OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE
>>> POSSIBILITY OF SUCH
>>> DAMAGES. ALSO, YOU MUST PASS THIS LIMITATION OF LIABILITY ON
>>> WHENEVER YOU
>>> DISTRIBUTE THE SOFTWARE OR DERIVATIVE WORKS.
>>>
>>> All rights not expressly granted to you in this license are reserved.
>>>
>>> The author and copyright holder of Obix is Christian Neumanns from
>>> Luxembourg,
>>> Europe.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> See also:
>>> 'What is the current state of the Obix project?' and
>>> 'How much does Obix cost and which license model is used?'
>>> on http://www.obix.lu/about/faq.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Christian Neumanns
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:30:40 +0200
>>> Brent Frere <Brent(a)BFrere.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello.
>>>> My address is Brent(a)BFrere.net
>>>>
>>>> Is Obix a free (as free software) environment ?
>>>>
>>>> Christian Neumanns a écrit :
>>>>> Dear Brent Frère,
>>>>>
>>>>> This morning I tried to send the mail below to
>>>>> brent.frere(a)lilux.lu, but a 'User unknown' error occured.
>>>>> I also sent the same mail to eric.dondelinger(a)lilux.lu, and no
>>>>> error was reported.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hence, I searched for your email address at plan-net.lu, hoping
>>>>> this doesn't bother.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Neumanns
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: Luca Nadalini suggested me to contact you for the presentation
>>>>> of Obix.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>
>>>>> By his mail I would like to offer you a presentation of a new
>>>>> programming language, called Obix, in one of your upcoming events.
>>>>> (see end of mail for more information on Obix)
>>>>>
>>>>> The purpose of this presentation would be to give programmers an
>>>>> introduction to Obix and, most importantly, to show practical and
>>>>> easy-to-understand examples that demonstrate how Obix can help to
>>>>> increase reliability, maintainability and productivity.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ideal time necessary for an effective presentation is 90
>>>>> minutes, but if you think this is too long, I can try to shorten
>>>>> it. Presentations of Obix are done in English.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want, we can first meet to discuss the details of such a
>>>>> presentation. I am open for any questions and suggestions. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Neumanns
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: What is Obix?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obix is an object-oriented programming language designed to help
>>>>> writing reliable and maintainable software, and to increase
>>>>> productivity in software development projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Obix compiler generates Java binaries (.class files) and any
>>>>> software written in Java can easily be integrated in an Obix
>>>>> application. Hence, software developed with Obix can run on any
>>>>> system that supports a Java Virtual Machine (JVM), such as Linux,
>>>>> MacOS, Windows, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMPORTANT NOTE: Obix is currently in an alpha state. It should not
>>>>> yet be used to develop real world applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> More information can be found at www.obix.lu
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brent Frère
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> L-3720 Rumelange
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>>>> European Union
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Christian Neumanns
>>
>> --
>> Brent Frère
>>
>> Private e-mail: Brent(a)BFrere.net
>>
>> Postal address: 58, rue d'Esch
>> L-3720 Rumelange
>> Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg
>> European Union
>>
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>
> All the best
> Christian Neumanns
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Brent Frère
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