2 Sep
2006
2 Sep
'06
9:19 a.m.
Hi,
pst wrote:
Rest assured, I'm not misleading nor misunderstanding...
The conference's name/title is "S'il te plaît... dessine moi un pirate
informatique !"... so they're using the word _pirate_ !
I simply object to a misleading point of vocabulary and am trying to
make sure people stop confusing ("white hat") hackers and "black hat"
hackers and copyright violators.
As the conference notice says...
"Escroqueries, espionnage, spamming, abus de confiance... Les
différentes formes de délinquance informatique sont devenues une réalité
indéniable."
as well as
"caractériser précisément les différents types de "hackers" et les
menaces qu'ils représentent."
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 15:22 +0200, Serge Marelli
wrote:
Yes, that's the one...
http://www.spiral.lu/SI/Channel/SPIRAL.nsf/w%20Root?OpenFrameSet&Frame=…
(why do these URLs have to be so huge ?)
(...)
BTW Pascal,
I read that you're going to give a speech in a hacker/pirate conference!?
I think you are talking about the "rencontre SPIRAL"... Would you be
so kind as to let them know that there is no such thing as
a computer pirate ? That is a voluntarily misleading image to confuse
people and mix the image of copyright violators with bloodthirsty
murderes and criminals.
See : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
Well here your a miselading something, the hackers we are talking about
are not the "computer pirates" in a copyright sense, but the real
computer security folk (be they black hats (bad) or white hats
(good)) ... but rethinking this, it would be a good idea to
clarify this point
during my talk
> It might be interesting to give the message to the organisers of the
> conference as well...
That was what I was counting on (asking ;) you to do...
I'm not sure yet whether I can attend, I'd like to but the day/time
might not work with my schedule.
yrs
Serge
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liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
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Serge Marelli, Luxembourg
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2 Sep
2 Sep
3:52 p.m.
New subject: Hackers & Pirates !?
I fully support your point of view. Can you give me the contact to which
I will send an e-mail of the same flavor ?
Thank you.
Serge Marelli a écrit :
Hi,
pst wrote:
Rest assured, I'm not misleading nor misunderstanding...
The conference's name/title is "S'il te plaît... dessine moi un pirate
informatique !"... so they're using the word _pirate_ !
I simply object to a misleading point of vocabulary and am trying to
make sure people stop confusing ("white hat") hackers and "black hat"
hackers and copyright violators.
As the conference notice says...
"Escroqueries, espionnage, spamming, abus de confiance... Les
différentes formes de délinquance informatique sont devenues une réalité
indéniable."
as well as
"caractériser précisément les différents types de "hackers" et les
menaces qu'ils représentent."
--
Brent Frère
Private e-mail: Brent(a)BFrere.net
Postal address: 58, rue d'Esch
L-3720 Rumelange
Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg
European Union
Mobile: +352-021/29.05.98
Fax: +352-26.30.05.96
Home: +352-307.341
URL: http://BFrere.net
If you have problem with my digital signature, please install the appropriate authority
certificate by browsing https://www.cacert.org/certs/root.crt.
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 15:22 +0200, Serge Marelli
wrote:
Yes, that's the one...
http://www.spiral.lu/SI/Channel/SPIRAL.nsf/w%20Root?OpenFrameSet&Frame=…
(why do these URLs have to be so huge ?)
(...)
BTW Pascal,
I read that you're going to give a speech in a hacker/pirate conference!?
I think you are talking about the "rencontre SPIRAL"...
Would you
be so kind as to let them know that there is no such thing as
a computer pirate ? That is a voluntarily misleading image to confuse
people and mix the image of copyright violators with bloodthirsty
murderes and criminals.
See : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
Well here your a miselading something, the hackers we are talking about
are not the "computer pirates" in a copyright sense, but the real
computer security folk (be they black hats (bad) or white hats
(good)) ...
but rethinking this, it would be a good idea to
clarify this point
during my talk
>It might be interesting to give the message to the organisers of the
>conference as well...
>
>
That was what I was counting on (asking ;) you to do...
I'm not sure yet whether I can attend, I'd like to but the day/time
might not work with my schedule.
yrs
Serge
3 Sep
3 Sep
4:03 p.m.
New subject: Hackers & Pirates !?
I simply object to a misleading point of vocabulary
and am trying to
make sure people stop confusing ("white hat") hackers and "black
hat"
hackers and copyright violators.
Well that's exactly the aim of this conference !! As of the speakers
list you (all) should have noticed that we all support this view your
are trying to convince me about. There's no need, but as you all seem so
very interested in this subject well come and attend the conference ...
On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 17:52 +0200, Brent Frère wrote:
I fully support your point of view. Can you give me
the contact to
which I will send an e-mail of the same flavor ?
Thank you.
Serge Marelli a écrit :
Hi,
pst wrote:
Rest assured, I'm not misleading nor misunderstanding...
The conference's name/title is "S'il te plaît... dessine moi un pirate
informatique !"... so they're using the word _pirate_ !
I simply object to a misleading point of vocabulary and am trying to
make sure people stop confusing ("white hat") hackers and "black
hat"
hackers and copyright violators.
As the conference notice says...
"Escroqueries, espionnage, spamming, abus de confiance... Les
différentes formes de délinquance informatique sont devenues une réalité
indéniable."
as well as
"caractériser précisément les différents types de "hackers" et les
menaces qu'ils représentent."
--
Brent Frère
Private e-mail: Brent(a)BFrere.net
Postal address: 58, rue d'Esch
L-3720 Rumelange
Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg
European Union
Mobile: +352-021/29.05.98
Fax: +352-26.30.05.96
Home: +352-307.341
URL: http://BFrere.net
If you have problem with my digital signature, please install the appropriate authority
certificate by browsing https://www.cacert.org/certs/root.crt. On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 15:22 +0200, Serge Marelli
wrote:
Yes, that's the one...
http://www.spiral.lu/SI/Channel/SPIRAL.nsf/w%20Root?OpenFrameSet&Frame=…
(why do these URLs have to be so huge ?)
(...)
BTW Pascal,
I read that you're going to give a speech in a hacker/pirate conference!?
I think you are talking about the "rencontre SPIRAL"...
Would you
be so kind as to let them know that there is no such thing as
a computer pirate ? That is a voluntarily misleading image to confuse
people and mix the image of copyright violators with bloodthirsty
murderes and criminals.
See : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
Well here your a miselading something, the hackers we are talking about
are not the "computer pirates" in a copyright sense, but the real
computer security folk (be they black hats (bad) or white hats
(good)) ...
but rethinking this, it would be a good idea to
clarify this point
during my talk
> It might be interesting to give the message to the organisers of the
> conference as well...
>
That was what I was counting on (asking ;) you to do...
I'm not sure yet whether I can attend, I'd like to but the day/time
might not work with my schedule.
yrs
Serge
5 Sep
5 Sep
3:38 p.m.
New subject: Hackers & Pirates !?
>>>Would you be so kind as to let them know
that there is no such thing as
>>>a computer pirate ? That is a voluntarily misleading image to confuse
>>>people and mix the image of copyright violators with bloodthirsty
>>>murderes and criminals.
>>>See : http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
>>>
>>>
>>Well here your a miselading something, the hackers we are talking about
>>are not the "computer pirates" in a copyright sense, but the real
>>computer security folk (be they black hats (bad) or white hats
>>(good)) ...
OK, this is WAY offtopic, but anyway:
May I make a point that pirates were bloodthirsty murderers and criminals
fighting against a system of ruthless nations of bloodthirsty murdreres and
criminals. Technically the gold and valuables they were stealing had already
been stolen from the people that were originally living on the grounds of the
new colonies.
I personally don't think they were bad people, but I also agree that what they
did hasn't got any relation to the deeds referred to as "computer piracy".
Best regards,
Micha
2 Sep
2 Sep
7:15 p.m.
New subject: Hackers & Pirates !?
On Sat, Sep 02, 2006 at 11:19:40AM +0200, Serge Marelli wrote:
http://www.spiral.lu/SI/Channel/SPIRAL.nsf/w%20Root?OpenFrameSet&Frame=…
(why do these URLs have to be so huge ?)
Lotus Notes. Need I say more? ;-)
Greetings, Eric
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